Witch Meisters (Closed)

Due to people persisting to try and turn the subject this thread was built around into a personal issue, the thread is now closed. I will not be responding further to posts within this thread.

Er, can I point out that Lord Death only has a problem with witches if they are going around causing trouble? I mean, he worked with Eibon, a sorcerer, and the only real difference between a sorcerer and a witch is that Sorcerers are more powerful usually.

To quote the Wiki:

"...the naturally destructive instinct that occurs in both a witch and her magic. Almost all witches are influenced by this nature but there are a few exceptions. At a young age a witch's magic has not yet fully developed and so the sway of magic has yet to take hold, but as they grow older and their powers develop this destructive instinct strengthens. Witches who also use nondestructive magic are exempt from this influence but those who fall under this category are extremely rare, with Kim Diehl being the only one..."

So it would stand to reason that not ALL witches can just be made for an exception, but certainly some can.

In addition, this is also fifteen years after the conclusion of the anime, and if you read up, you will notice that younger witches aren't always under that destructive sway. So, like Angela and KIM (already a canon student of the DWMA), the students, at least, are absolutely no harm. Aside from that.... darling, you're not going to win this when so many people have witch meisters, are paired with them, or simply have no problem with them. Mine, for example, is only 13 and has a healing wavelength --- the exact one that causes her to be completely shunned from witch society and possibly even negates the destructive sway.

Well Beetle I have 2 problems with that. The first is that, obviously, that was 800+ years ago so we really don't know if he changed his stance on Witches in that timeframe or not, IDK for sure but I think that might have actually been before living Weapons were even created and before Lord Death actually began really fighting Witches to gain new Death Scythes. A lot of things can change within that period of time.
 
The second thing is I don't believe they ever really state if Eibon was magical or not. He's definatly not a Witch and probably not effected by the sway of magic. And, once again, Eibon worked with Lord Death over 800 years ago, magic users might not have had as much hatred against non-magical beings as they do now.
 
These two points make Eibon fairly irrelevant when talking about the modern DWMA and what should and shouldn't be allowed as far as Witches are concerned. Where should the line be drawn?

@ Lani

I know who Kim is, I just tried to keep from using the exact name to prevent spoilers.

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In the manga of Soul Eater, there were only 2 known Witch meisters, both allowed to join the DWMA under fairly special conditions. One was a child with nobody to take care of them and the other was an existing student who only had healing magic.

Also, this is not about winning or making a point, it's simply a civil debate. I want to see exactly where the majority of people stand on this and why. How far people are allowed to go before they cross the line. If a Witch is homeless on the street with nowhere else to turn to but is well-known for burning people to death or something, should they be allowed?

I know that despite my oc naga being a powerful and dangerous witch/sorcerer/whatever and his blatant refusal to take sides between the witches or academy, he has still been asked to join.

Eibon IS a sorcerer and is said to be the one that taught magic to witches, which is why it is that witches didn't hunt him down.

And I don't think that anyone's really going to say "No, no witches in the DWMA." because honestly, it is a really well-liked idea. We can set up rules and stuff where you can't be in the DWMA if you're violent and/or require witches/sorcerers to undergo some kind of trial/training program. What'cha think about that?

As a side note... I think the homeless-destructive-witch could make an interesting story arc, as we'll have people on both sides of that debate and we'd have to have said witch prove their point and/or we can send students after it to upgrade their weapons to death scythes (well, weapon).

Lani, you're completely missing the point of this thread. As I've already said, this isn't about proving anything or changing any rules or winning. It's simply a debate about how far the DWMA should be willing to go before they're crossing the line. How dangerous a person can be before they're considered too dangerous to be around normal students and if there's a limit at all. If Nebun just randomly tried to join the DWMA, chances are he wouldn't be allowed to because he's dangerous and known to be a threat. So when you take that situation and apply it to a race of people who can't help being dangerous or you have a Witch that's known to enjoy taking advantage of men or something, for example, where do you draw the line?

People are going to try and make whatever type of character they want regardless of my personal oppinions and, in this case, it's specifically up to the Admins and Drago to decide what's allowed. But I felt like hearing out the rest of the site about this issue to have that discussion over where they believe the point of no return is where you shouldn't be allowed in.

And I'm offering up ways to solve the problem of dangerous witches trying to get into the DWMA and per usual you are disregarding what I say. No on on this thread itself is discussing anything other than what to do about the witches. The poll is there and garnering the votes to tell you their opinions, and I am merely offering up IC solutions to go along with these scenarios.

As I just said, Lani, this thread is mind to discuss oppinions about the issue, not to solve it. The discussion isn't about something with an easy answear, it's a question that's going to be seen differently by different people. At what point is it ok to allow these people with increadible powers and who are guilty of quite a few potential horrible deeds to join the same school as everyone else? When do you say it's ok to trust someone who's ruined people's lives in the past and will probably ruin more lives in the future? That's the discussion I'm trying to start.

You can take part in it if you want, Lani, but if you go into this thinking there's going to be some right answear that everyone's going to agree on, you're going to end up a bit dissapointed.

I'm generally disappointed anytime a discussion involves you. I don't expect to have an answer that works for everything there is, I am merely offering suggestions for future reference.

Lani, please keep to the discussion at hand. That goes for anyone who actually wants to post in this thread. This is to debate a specific topic that I'm curious to hear people's oppinions on and, so far, there has been very few people who have actually said stuff relevant to said topic.

Aside from a single sentence, everything I have said has been perfectly relevant and down voting me for calling you out on your rudeness does nothing more than prove my point. I have been presenting ways to solve any problems. I voted that we could always reform them; my posts have gone along with that. If you want to throw a fit over me making my suggestions and opinions regarding IC actions than I don't see why you made a poll asking for opinions in the first place.

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I'm generally disappointed anytime a discussion involves you.

I downvoted you because you went right for an attack before going straight into trying to defend yourself. Let me make myself clear, this thread is NOT meant to become a source of drama, do you understand, Lani? It's simply to discuss this issue in a reasonable way and further remarks off of the topic this thread was intended for will not be tolerated.

PMing you.

Both of you chill out. Lani, I'm sure Deth didn't mean to come off the way he did. Deth, Lani only got pissed when it looked like you were disregarding her posts.

Seriously, BOTH of you need to take a chill pill.

Off topic posts will not be tolerated in this thread. This thread is purely meant to be an active discussion about the issue of how dangerous a person can be before they're considered TOO dangerous and/or should people with sketchy pasts be trusted.

Deth, downvoting Lani was an inappropriate action, regardless of the context. And in response to what you say about there not being a single option everyone would agree on, it appears that most of the members are agreeing that witch meisters should be allowed. Lani pointed out several key points that you yourself got wrong, and in response, instead of simply letting the matter go, you chose to continue the argument.

Once again, this thread is NOT the place for drama, it is a place to simply discuss the issue at hand. Any other issue does not belong here. If people, normal members OR staff, persist in trying to turn this into more site drama, then I will delete my first post and officially end the thread. I am dead serious. Off topic remarks simply will not be tolerated here and I hope that the staff actually understand what I mean by that on this occasion.

To make myself entirely 100% clear, This Is A Thread To Discuss Witches, NOTHING else!

I don't know who downvoted my post and I don't care. Consider this thread officially closed.